Brené Brown with Roxane Gay and Debbie Millman on Love, Life, and the Pursuit of Creative Space

Give this a listen for a great love story + so much more.

I’ve long been a fan of Debbie Millman. This interview with Brene Brown was my first introduction to her wife Roxane Gay.

If you don’t know them, please allow me to introduce you.

From her website: Debbie Millman is a writer, designer, educator, artist, brand consultant and host of the podcast Design Matters. Design Matters is one of the world's very first podcasts. Broadcasting independently for 15 years, the show is about how incredibly creative people design the arc of their lives.

From her website: Roxanne Gay is a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times. She is the author of the books Ayiti, An Untamed State, the New York Times bestselling Bad Feminist, the nationally bestselling Difficult Women and the New York Times bestselling Hunger. She is also the author of World of Wakanda for Marvel.

First published April 5, 2021